<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Works for me, I support. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> -Darrell<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 18, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Chris Caputo <<a href="mailto:ccaputo@alt.net" class="">ccaputo@alt.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On Wed, 18 Dec 2019, Arnold Nipper wrote:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">On 18.12.2019 16:51, Chris Caputo wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Wed, 18 Dec 2019, Arnold Nipper wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">All<br class=""><br class="">On 18.12.2019 16:09, Chris Caputo wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Wed, 18 Dec 2019, Arnold Nipper wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 18.12.2019 00:54, Filiz Yilmaz wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">It is mainly changing:<br class=""><br class="">“This Policy Document will include a clear description of each object,<br class="">sub-object, and associated data, respectively, as well as*which type of<br class="">user (network, IXP, etc.) *should be allowed to create and update them. “<br class=""><br class="">To: <br class="">“This Policy Document will include a clear description of each object,<br class="">sub-object, and associated data, respectively, as well as well as *who*<br class="">should be allowed to create and update them.”<br class=""><br class="">If you have any objections to this, you can raise them until 24 Dec on<br class="">the mailing list. <br class="">After that I will get the Scope on the website changed too. <br class=""><br class=""></blockquote>for me it's unclear what is meant by "sub-object" and "associated data".<br class="">For me there are only objects (i.e. fac, ix, ixfac, ixlan, ixpfx, net,<br class="">netfac, netixlan and poc. And as-set which imho shouldn't be there) and<br class="">relations between these objects expressed by ids. E.g. in netixlan we<br class="">find net_id and ix_id (and ixlan_id, but this id in turn is pointed to<br class="">by the the very same ix_id).<br class=""></blockquote>Arnold, as I understand it, the Scope is meant to be broad and not address<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">specific present-day PeeringDB object types.<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">so what is "each object" then referring to?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">It is referring to PeeringDB objects. I just meant they aren't addressed<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">specificially in the Scope.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I'm not a native speaker, but would rephrase this to<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I think you write English quite well, actually.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">“This Policy Document will include a clear description of each object<br class="">and the relation between each other, as well as well as the user<br class="">permission system to create, update, and delete objects".<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">In the most recent conference call we tried to address your comment in the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Policy Document:<br class=""><br class=""> - "which type of user (network, IXP, etc.)"<br class=""> - There is no distinction between users regarding their network, IXP etc<br class=""><br class="">by getting away from "user" with a change to "who" since we are talking<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">about the type of user (ie., their perspective on a given object), not the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">PeeringDB "user" object specifically. Thus if "user permission system" is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">replaced with "who should be allowed" in your verbage, ala:<br class=""><br class=""> “This Policy Document will include a clear description of each object<br class=""> and the relation between each other, as well as well as who should be<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> allowed to create, update, and delete objects".<br class=""><br class="">Would you be comfortable with that?<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Fine by me. Now you only have to deal with Job's suggestion which imho<br class="">is a fine one as well.<br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">:-)</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On Wed, 18 Dec 2019, Job Snijders wrote:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">We should replace "object" with "data element"<br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">So that gives:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> - “This Policy Document will include a clear description of each data<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> element and the relation between each other, as well as who should be<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> allowed to create, update, and delete them".</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Anyone else support this as the change to make to the Scope? (I do too.)</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Chris--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">DataOwnership-TF mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="mailto:DataOwnership-TF@lists.peeringdb.com" style="font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">DataOwnership-TF@lists.peeringdb.com</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="https://lists.peeringdb.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dataownership-tf" style="font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://lists.peeringdb.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dataownership-tf</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>