[PDB-gov] Voting eligibility

[Christian Koch]

this is so broken. its unfortunate.

hopefully the newly elected board will perform surgery and fix this


On 20 November 2015 at 17:06, <secretary at peeringdb.com> wrote:

> Under the current election and rules, Twitch and Amazon are not able to
> both vote.
>
> When Twitch opted to vote, I informed Amazon and secured permission from
> Amazon that Twitch would be doing their vote.
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, C N wrote:
> > Not trying to derail the 'Twitch' vote but Twitch is an Amazon
> > Subsidiary yet we run our own network. Based on what I have read from
> > some here, that would disqualify either the 'Twitch AS' or 'Amazon AS'
> > since only one could vote. If that were the case, who chooses who gets
> > to vote?
> >
> > Christian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Christian Koch <ck at megaport.com>
> wrote:
> >       if thats the policy, then peeringdb should be modified for
> organizations with multiple ASN's so there can primary and
> >       sub ASN's
> >       just because there is a parent company, does not mean policy is
> controlled by a single person or group
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 20 November 2015 at 15:03, Chris Caputo <ccaputo at alt.net> wrote:
> >       In the current draft, networks are not members.  Business entities
> are.
> >
> >       Some businesses have multiple networks / multiple ASNs.  I hope we
> can
> >       agree they should only have one vote.
> >
> >       Do you really want to give conglomerates multiple votes while
> >       non-conglomerates have a single vote?
> >
> >       Chris
> >
> >       On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, Christian Koch wrote:
> >       > going to have to agree here.
> >       > this is a silly rule, with no way to validate the independence
> of the network policy.
> >       >
> >       >
> >       > On 19 November 2015 at 13:27, Pierfrancesco Caci <pf at caci.it>
> wrote:
> >       >       >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Caputo <ccaputo at alt.net> writes:
> >       >
> >       >
> >       >           Chris> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015, Pierfrancesco Caci wrote:
> >       >           >> >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Caputo <
> secretary at peeringdb.com> writes:
> >       >           Chris> - 2 organizations have been disallowed from
> voting due to
> >       >           Chris> coming under the purview of the draft bylaws
> affiliate
> >       >           Chris> clause (*).  1 was disallowed because of a
> parent
> >       >           Chris> organization affiliation, and 1 was disallowed
> because
> >       >           Chris> of a common control affiliation.
> >       >           >>
> >       >           >> After this election is over, I suggest that we talk
> about when a
> >       >           >> controlled organization is independent enough to
> get their own vote
> >       >           >> besides that of the parent. One of the 2 orgs that
> have been disallowed
> >       >           >> could well have voted independently of mine, in my
> opinion.
> >       >
> >       >           Chris> Allowing organizations under common control to
> have multiple votes,
> >       >           Chris> depending on the level of independence reported
> by the organizations
> >       >           Chris> themselves, would seem to be a challenging
> equation to balance.
> >       >
> >       >           Chris> If A is a parent of B and C, and B and C are
> able to vote,
> >       >           Chris> then A wields
> >       >           Chris> twice the influence of other voters.
> >       >
> >       >           Chris> I don't see how that can be negated.
> >       >
> >       >       I'm not sure which cases we're trying to prevent here. B
> and C run
> >       >       different networks with different peering policies and
> requirements.
> >       >       I understand that you have no possibility to check the
> level of
> >       >       independence. Anyway, let's have this vote come to
> conclusion, and maybe
> >       >       in the meantime I or someone else comes up with a better
> idea.
> >       >
> >       >       Pf
> >       >
> >       >       --
> >       >       Pierfrancesco Caci
> >
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