<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 18, 2015, at 15:10 , Chris Caputo <<a href="mailto:secretary@peeringdb.com" class="">secretary@peeringdb.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I think IXes are part of the PeeringDB core constituency, and I think they<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">are among the most likely to contribute money.</span><br style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I think low-cost ($5?) annual fee-based individual memberships are an<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">interesting solution to what started this thread, assuming you mean in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">addition to organizational members. Folks could pay the fee for others,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">as a way of supporting their volunteering.</span><br style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Yes… Absolutely.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">This could all be done as a single class of Member. Ie., equal voting<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">rights.</span><br style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I think that would be best.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Chris</span><br style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On Wed, 18 Nov 2015, Owen DeLong wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">I would say that they may well have a vested interest in the usefulness<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">and management of peeringdb even though they are not directly peering<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">themselves. Yes.<br class=""><br class="">Why do you find this hard to believe?<br class=""><br class="">As to stock classes… The difference is that currently, unaffiliated<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">individuals have no path to suffrage.<br class=""><br class="">While I agree we should not change the rules for this election, I do<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">think it is worth considering in the longer term.<br class=""><br class="">Owen<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Nov 18, 2015, at 14:48 , bill manning <<a href="mailto:azuremesa@gmail.com" class="">azuremesa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hum.. so an IIX w/o an ASN has a vested interest in peering? How does that work?<br class=""><br class="">wrt "interested parties"...<br class=""><br class="">Does this sound much different that stock classes & voting your "A" shares differently than your "B" shares?<br class=""><br class="">/Wm<br class=""><br class="">On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">mailto:owen@delong.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Nov 18, 2015, at 14:36 , bill manning <<a href="mailto:azuremesa@gmail.com" class="">azuremesa@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:azuremesa@gmail.com" class="">mailto:azuremesa@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">thought experiment:<br class="">an entity has one or more ASNs assigned, either through an RIR or from private ASN space.<br class="">Each ASN represents a unique Peering Policy (thats what ASNs do).<br class=""><br class="">Posit one vote per policy or vote per ASN.<br class=""><br class="">In the event that an entity has multiple ASNs/policies, all represented by the same natural person, it would seem prudent to restrict the natural person to a single vote, regardless of the number of ASNs they represent.<br class=""><br class="">Are you suggesting that instead of the natural/legal entity distinction, that a better way would be to have a single vote per registered entity regardless of the number of ASNs/policies registered in peeringDB?<br class=""><br class="">Think that might work.<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I think it’s more about not disenfranchising entities that do not have an ASN such as some IXs.<br class=""><br class="">I would also like to see us avoid disenfranchising participating and active individuals who are not<br class="">representative of an ORG.<br class=""><br class="">Owen</blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>