<div dir="ltr">if thats the policy, then peeringdb should be modified for organizations with multiple ASN's so there can primary and sub ASN's<div><br><div><div>just because there is a parent company, does not mean policy is controlled by a single person or group</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 November 2015 at 15:03, Chris Caputo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ccaputo@alt.net" target="_blank">ccaputo@alt.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">In the current draft, networks are not members. Business entities are.<br>
<br>
Some businesses have multiple networks / multiple ASNs. I hope we can<br>
agree they should only have one vote.<br>
<br>
Do you really want to give conglomerates multiple votes while<br>
non-conglomerates have a single vote?<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Chris<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, Christian Koch wrote:<br>
> going to have to agree here.<br>
> this is a silly rule, with no way to validate the independence of the network policy. <br>
><br>
><br>
> On 19 November 2015 at 13:27, Pierfrancesco Caci <<a href="mailto:pf@caci.it">pf@caci.it</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Caputo <<a href="mailto:ccaputo@alt.net">ccaputo@alt.net</a>> writes:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Chris> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015, Pierfrancesco Caci wrote:<br>
> >> >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Caputo <<a href="mailto:secretary@peeringdb.com">secretary@peeringdb.com</a>> writes:<br>
> Chris> - 2 organizations have been disallowed from voting due to<br>
> Chris> coming under the purview of the draft bylaws affiliate<br>
> Chris> clause (*). 1 was disallowed because of a parent<br>
> Chris> organization affiliation, and 1 was disallowed because<br>
> Chris> of a common control affiliation.<br>
> >><br>
> >> After this election is over, I suggest that we talk about when a<br>
> >> controlled organization is independent enough to get their own vote<br>
> >> besides that of the parent. One of the 2 orgs that have been disallowed<br>
> >> could well have voted independently of mine, in my opinion.<br>
><br>
> Chris> Allowing organizations under common control to have multiple votes,<br>
> Chris> depending on the level of independence reported by the organizations<br>
> Chris> themselves, would seem to be a challenging equation to balance.<br>
><br>
> Chris> If A is a parent of B and C, and B and C are able to vote,<br>
> Chris> then A wields<br>
> Chris> twice the influence of other voters.<br>
><br>
> Chris> I don't see how that can be negated.<br>
><br>
> I'm not sure which cases we're trying to prevent here. B and C run<br>
> different networks with different peering policies and requirements.<br>
> I understand that you have no possibility to check the level of<br>
> independence. Anyway, let's have this vote come to conclusion, and maybe<br>
> in the meantime I or someone else comes up with a better idea.<br>
><br>
> Pf<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Pierfrancesco Caci</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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