[PDB-gov] Voting eligibility

Chris Caputo ccaputo at alt.net
Fri Nov 20 12:03:18 PST 2015

In the current draft, networks are not members.  Business entities are.

Some businesses have multiple networks / multiple ASNs.  I hope we can 
agree they should only have one vote.

Do you really want to give conglomerates multiple votes while 
non-conglomerates have a single vote?


On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, Christian Koch wrote:
> going to have to agree here.
> this is a silly rule, with no way to validate the independence of the network policy. 
> On 19 November 2015 at 13:27, Pierfrancesco Caci <pf at caci.it> wrote:
>       >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Caputo <ccaputo at alt.net> writes:
>           Chris> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015, Pierfrancesco Caci wrote:
>           >> >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Caputo <secretary at peeringdb.com> writes:
>           Chris> - 2 organizations have been disallowed from voting due to
>           Chris> coming under the purview of the draft bylaws affiliate
>           Chris> clause (*).  1 was disallowed because of a parent
>           Chris> organization affiliation, and 1 was disallowed because
>           Chris> of a common control affiliation.
>           >>
>           >> After this election is over, I suggest that we talk about when a
>           >> controlled organization is independent enough to get their own vote
>           >> besides that of the parent. One of the 2 orgs that have been disallowed
>           >> could well have voted independently of mine, in my opinion.
>           Chris> Allowing organizations under common control to have multiple votes,
>           Chris> depending on the level of independence reported by the organizations
>           Chris> themselves, would seem to be a challenging equation to balance.
>           Chris> If A is a parent of B and C, and B and C are able to vote,
>           Chris> then A wields
>           Chris> twice the influence of other voters.
>           Chris> I don't see how that can be negated.
>       I'm not sure which cases we're trying to prevent here. B and C run
>       different networks with different peering policies and requirements.
>       I understand that you have no possibility to check the level of
>       independence. Anyway, let's have this vote come to conclusion, and maybe
>       in the meantime I or someone else comes up with a better idea.
>       Pf
>       --
>       Pierfrancesco Caci

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