[PDB-gov] organizational documents

[Daniel Golding]

I don't think its so spammy - we just want people to be aware, even if they
don't want to participate.

Dan

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Aaron Hughes <aaronh at tcp0.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 09:58:46AM -0400, Daniel Golding wrote:
> > Considering the relatively small number of folks on this list and the
> lack
> > of activity (up until now), its important that this process is promoted a
> > bit more widely - NANOG ,RIPE, etc mailing lists, and other forums. In
> > order to have a real mandate, I suggest getting at least 500 folks on
> > list...
>
> /var/lib/mailman/bin/list_members pdb-gov | wc -l
> 142
>
> How about reaching out to the GPF and EPF folks? I know it's SPAMy in
> nature, but certainly extremely relevant. We did an initial blast a few
> months ago to all users of PDB, however, membership was not defined at that
> point. That being said, the message sent yesterday did goto all PDB lists.
>
> I have mixed feelings about how heavy we hammer people to join. So many of
> the comments we received were in line with "Just keep peeringdb operating
> and don't charge for it" as opposed to, "I really want to be involved in
> the governance of the org. </2 cents>
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron
>
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Patrick Gilmore <patrick at peeringdb.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Oct 21, 2015, at 5:30 AM, Hannigan, Martin <marty at akamai.com>
> wrote:
> > > > On Oct 21, 2015, at 02:52, Chris Caputo <secretary at peeringdb.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Chris,
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2015, Chris Malayter wrote:
> > > >>> I would suggest you incorporate in a friendly state for
> > > not-for-profits.
> > > >>> Aka, Arizona or Delaware…not Washington.
> > > >>
> > > >> Is there something you know about Washington state which suggests
> it is
> > > >> not a friendly state for not-for-profits?
> > > >>
> > > >> The attorney (Steve Fisher, Foster Pepper) we have been working
> with so
> > > >> far, provided us with the following when we considered other states:
> > > >>
> > > >> - "A lot of for-profit companies (almost all publically traded
> > > >>   companies) file in Delaware because there is a massive body of
> > > >>   judicial decisions about shareholder rights, board of director and
> > > >>   officer liability, merger rights for shareholders, hostile
> take-overs,
> > > >>   minority shareholder protections, etc.  I just have never heard of
> > > >>   going to DE for non-profits.  We have hundreds of non-profits at
> the
> > > >>   law firm but I couldn't find one this morning in my search that
> was
> > > >>   Delaware.  Washington corporate law is basically identical to
> Delaware
> > > >>   corporate law, especially with respect to liability of its
> officers
> > > >>   and directors.  You are only going to be liable as an officer or
> > > >>   director if you commit tax fraud securities fraud, or some other
> > > >>   heinous act and the non-profit corporation won't shield you
> > > >>   personally.  That is the same in Delaware as it is in Washington."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Open-ix went to DE. Similar to WA, and friendly to electronic
> management
> > > eg board and member voting, etc.
> > > >
> > > > I'm ok with whatever the board decides.
> > >
> > > I had the same question when we started this. However, after speaking
> with
> > > the lawyer, there really isn’t anything our org will gain from DE vs.
> WA.
> > > On the flip side, we get free legal counsel in WA, and at least two of
> the
> > > people (Chris & Patrick) were involved in a 501(c)(6) set up in WA, so
> we
> > > have some experience with this.
> > >
> > > Seemed like a good choice. Plus it is not irreversible. Corporations
> are
> > > allowed to move.
> > >
> > > --
> > > TTFN,
> > > patrick
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
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