[PDB Tech] RIPE NCC IXP Tools Hackathon: Pinder

[Matthew Walster]

On 5 November 2016 at 10:42, Job Snijders <job at instituut.net> wrote:
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> <no hats>
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​Awww, I like a good hat.​


> I recommend you remove the 'cheap gimmick' parts and make it look more
> like a boring business tool with appropiate domain name and
> documentation style. That will help bring the actual novel and
> intriguing parts of the engine into focal point.
>

​Ordinarily I'd completely agree. The idea behind the ​approach was to
raise awareness of the project and get it as widely spread as possible. The
name "Pinder" is a lot more eye catching than "peering communication
streamlining tooling" or similar. Now that the issue is more widely known,
it may come back to bite me for doing so... However, I in no way expect
PeeringDB to keep up with the silliness I brought about during the
"marketing" of our project ;)


> I know some people are working on YANG modeling for peering interactions
> on the layer-8 level, I can see a the pinder approach as viable too. I
> do not know where these things belong yet and what PeeringDB's role in
> it will be. For now I view this as a social experiment, fair? :-)
>

​I've not come across that, but we use a YANGy/OpenConfigy style interface
internally. I'd not considered it for something like this precisely because
I think the barrier to entry needs to be as low as humanly possible so that
networks new to peering, and those that do not have the resources to commit
to a fully automated solution are able (and encouraged) to use the system.

It is for sure a social experiment. A mighty successful one if I might be
so bold... I realise this isn't going to be a live feature in PeeringDB (or
alternative solution) in the next couple of weeks, but I'd like to think
that with the conversation started that PeeringDB would be considered a
natural fit for this tooling... Or at least if the board do not decide to
pursue it then someone seeks to take the idea and run with it.

I think it's safe to say that "Pinder" as a project is conceptual only --
there's some fantastic demonstrations of integration in there, but a real
implementation needs some substantial pondering before being taken forward.
I am more than willing to help out, and I'll take a more "mature" approach
to guerrilla marketing if that's what you'd prefer ;)

M​
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