[PDB-gov] Voting eligibility

Christian Koch ck at megaport.com
Fri Nov 20 14:47:31 PST 2015


thats the problem, judging by the number of registered voters, most people
dont care.

just sayin...

if i had a asn and peered, id pull my data out of peeringdb after seeing
this circus

On 20 November 2015 at 17:40, Chris Caputo <secretary at peeringdb.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, Christian Koch wrote:
> > i have already mentioned it, chris.
> > Google, which has multiple ASN's registered in peeringdb, should
> obviously not get more than 1 vote
> >
> > But what about Google and Google Fiber?
> >
> > Their parent company is Alphabet. Do they get 2 votes?
>
> No, they got one vote.  And they didn't appear to object to the notion.
>
> > Edgecast and Verizon should also get a vote each, if they cared.
>
> If Verizon owns more than 50% of Edgecast or has the power to
> independently control it, 1 vote.
>
> Chris
>
> > 64 registered voters out of how many potential? i dont know if id call
> that a success
> >
> > too many people have their heads up their asses and this should have
> never gone down this path to begin with, quite frankly
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 20 November 2015 at 17:26, Chris Caputo <secretary at peeringdb.com>
> wrote:
> >       You've said that but you haven't explained why it is broken.
> >
> >       As Will has pointed out, if you remove the affiliate clause you
> make it
> >       possible to game the elections.
> >
> >       As an aside, if Amazon had said they want the vote, I would have
> informed
> >       Twitch that Amazon will be voting instead of Twitch, on the basis
> of
> >       Amazon being the controlling organization.
> >
> >       I think the election and rules are working well and as intended.
> 55 of 64
> >       registered voters have voted.  With 10 days left the number of
> registered
> >       voters will likely go up.  I think the goal of a fair and
> representative
> >       election is happening.
> >
> >       Chris
> >
> >       On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, Christian Koch wrote:
> >       > this is so broken. its unfortunate.
> >       > hopefully the newly elected board will perform surgery and fix
> this
> >       >
> >       >
> >       > On 20 November 2015 at 17:06, <secretary at peeringdb.com> wrote:
> >       >       Under the current election and rules, Twitch and Amazon
> are not able to
> >       >       both vote.
> >       >
> >       >       When Twitch opted to vote, I informed Amazon and secured
> permission from
> >       >       Amazon that Twitch would be doing their vote.
> >       >
> >       >       Chris
> >       >
> >       >       On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, C N wrote:
> >       >       > Not trying to derail the 'Twitch' vote but Twitch is an
> Amazon
> >       >       > Subsidiary yet we run our own network. Based on what I
> have read from
> >       >       > some here, that would disqualify either the 'Twitch AS'
> or 'Amazon AS'
> >       >       > since only one could vote. If that were the case, who
> chooses who gets
> >       >       > to vote?
> >       >       >
> >       >       > Christian
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Christian Koch <
> ck at megaport.com> wrote:
> >       >       >       if thats the policy, then peeringdb should be
> modified for organizations with multiple ASN's so there
> >       can
> >       >       primary and
> >       >       >       sub ASN's
> >       >       >       just because there is a parent company, does not
> mean policy is controlled by a single person or
> >       group
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       > On 20 November 2015 at 15:03, Chris Caputo <
> ccaputo at alt.net> wrote:
> >       >       >       In the current draft, networks are not members.
> Business entities are.
> >       >       >
> >       >       >       Some businesses have multiple networks / multiple
> ASNs.  I hope we can
> >       >       >       agree they should only have one vote.
> >       >       >
> >       >       >       Do you really want to give conglomerates multiple
> votes while
> >       >       >       non-conglomerates have a single vote?
> >       >       >
> >       >       >       Chris
> >       >       >
> >       >       >       On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, Christian Koch wrote:
> >       >       >       > going to have to agree here.
> >       >       >       > this is a silly rule, with no way to validate
> the independence of the network policy.
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       > On 19 November 2015 at 13:27, Pierfrancesco Caci
> <pf at caci.it> wrote:
> >       >       >       >       >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Caputo <
> ccaputo at alt.net> writes:
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >           Chris> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015,
> Pierfrancesco Caci wrote:
> >       >       >       >           >> >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Caputo <
> secretary at peeringdb.com> writes:
> >       >       >       >           Chris> - 2 organizations have been
> disallowed from voting due to
> >       >       >       >           Chris> coming under the purview of the
> draft bylaws affiliate
> >       >       >       >           Chris> clause (*).  1 was disallowed
> because of a parent
> >       >       >       >           Chris> organization affiliation, and 1
> was disallowed because
> >       >       >       >           Chris> of a common control affiliation.
> >       >       >       >           >>
> >       >       >       >           >> After this election is over, I
> suggest that we talk about when a
> >       >       >       >           >> controlled organization is
> independent enough to get their own vote
> >       >       >       >           >> besides that of the parent. One of
> the 2 orgs that have been disallowed
> >       >       >       >           >> could well have voted independently
> of mine, in my opinion.
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >           Chris> Allowing organizations under
> common control to have multiple votes,
> >       >       >       >           Chris> depending on the level of
> independence reported by the organizations
> >       >       >       >           Chris> themselves, would seem to be a
> challenging equation to balance.
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >           Chris> If A is a parent of B and C,
> and B and C are able to vote,
> >       >       >       >           Chris> then A wields
> >       >       >       >           Chris> twice the influence of other
> voters.
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >           Chris> I don't see how that can be
> negated.
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >       I'm not sure which cases we're trying to
> prevent here. B and C run
> >       >       >       >       different networks with different peering
> policies and requirements.
> >       >       >       >       I understand that you have no possibility
> to check the level of
> >       >       >       >       independence. Anyway, let's have this vote
> come to conclusion, and maybe
> >       >       >       >       in the meantime I or someone else comes up
> with a better idea.
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >       Pf
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >       --
> >       >       >       >       Pierfrancesco Caci
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