[PDB-gov] Voting eligibility

[secretary at peeringdb.com]

Under the current election and rules, Twitch and Amazon are not able to 
both vote.

When Twitch opted to vote, I informed Amazon and secured permission from 
Amazon that Twitch would be doing their vote.

Chris

On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, C N wrote:
> Not trying to derail the 'Twitch' vote but Twitch is an Amazon 
> Subsidiary yet we run our own network. Based on what I have read from 
> some here, that would disqualify either the 'Twitch AS' or 'Amazon AS' 
> since only one could vote. If that were the case, who chooses who gets 
> to vote?
>
> Christian
> 
> 
>    
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Christian Koch <ck at megaport.com> wrote:
>       if thats the policy, then peeringdb should be modified for organizations with multiple ASN's so there can primary and
>       sub ASN's
>       just because there is a parent company, does not mean policy is controlled by a single person or group
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 20 November 2015 at 15:03, Chris Caputo <ccaputo at alt.net> wrote:
>       In the current draft, networks are not members.  Business entities are.
> 
>       Some businesses have multiple networks / multiple ASNs.  I hope we can
>       agree they should only have one vote.
> 
>       Do you really want to give conglomerates multiple votes while
>       non-conglomerates have a single vote?
> 
>       Chris
> 
>       On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, Christian Koch wrote:
>       > going to have to agree here.
>       > this is a silly rule, with no way to validate the independence of the network policy. 
>       >
>       >
>       > On 19 November 2015 at 13:27, Pierfrancesco Caci <pf at caci.it> wrote:
>       >       >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Caputo <ccaputo at alt.net> writes:
>       >
>       >
>       >           Chris> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015, Pierfrancesco Caci wrote:
>       >           >> >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Caputo <secretary at peeringdb.com> writes:
>       >           Chris> - 2 organizations have been disallowed from voting due to
>       >           Chris> coming under the purview of the draft bylaws affiliate
>       >           Chris> clause (*).  1 was disallowed because of a parent
>       >           Chris> organization affiliation, and 1 was disallowed because
>       >           Chris> of a common control affiliation.
>       >           >>
>       >           >> After this election is over, I suggest that we talk about when a
>       >           >> controlled organization is independent enough to get their own vote
>       >           >> besides that of the parent. One of the 2 orgs that have been disallowed
>       >           >> could well have voted independently of mine, in my opinion.
>       >
>       >           Chris> Allowing organizations under common control to have multiple votes,
>       >           Chris> depending on the level of independence reported by the organizations
>       >           Chris> themselves, would seem to be a challenging equation to balance.
>       >
>       >           Chris> If A is a parent of B and C, and B and C are able to vote,
>       >           Chris> then A wields
>       >           Chris> twice the influence of other voters.
>       >
>       >           Chris> I don't see how that can be negated.
>       >
>       >       I'm not sure which cases we're trying to prevent here. B and C run
>       >       different networks with different peering policies and requirements.
>       >       I understand that you have no possibility to check the level of
>       >       independence. Anyway, let's have this vote come to conclusion, and maybe
>       >       in the meantime I or someone else comes up with a better idea.
>       >
>       >       Pf
>       >
>       >       --
>       >       Pierfrancesco Caci
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